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Speaker 1 

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Speaker 2 

Well, it’s 3:00 o’clock, and that means it’s time for naturally inspired radio. Hello, Northern Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska. Thank you for joining us today. Big show. It’s a beautiful day here in Northern Colorado. I hope your week is going well, but we’ve got a big show for you today, so I don’t want to waste a lot of time. I have Steve Kirsch joining us today. I got to. Meet Steve at the premier of the planned demic. That’s Mickey Willis’s movie that we screened at the naturally inspired health summit last month. He’s the creator of that series and I had the opportunity to meet Steve at that premiere in Austin back at the beginning of June. And had a great little conversation with him. So I was able to reach out to him and just touch base with some of the things he’s been talking about recently. And I’m just so grateful that he’s chosen to give us a little bit of his time. Today so we can talk about it, particularly because of all that’s going on in the news today. So Steve is an entrepreneur, A philanthropist, he is the founder of vaccine Safety Research Foundation. He is the founder of COVID-19 early treatment fund. He writes for sub stock about COVID mitigation policies, vaccines, neurological disease, corruption, censorship, and early treatment. Imagine if we’d have that. Steve digs into data and he knows that the data shows. That vaccines are ruining our country’s health. And it’s driving, they are driving an epidemic in neurological disease. So let’s get into it. I have on the line Mr. Steve Kirsch. Hi, Steve. How are you? 

Speaker 3 

I’m good, Tammy. Thanks for having me. 

Speaker 2 

How is California right now? How’s the weather? 

Speaker 3 

The weather is where I’m at. In California, is blue skies so. 

Speaker 2 

Well, thank you so much for being here and giving us this time today. I’ve got. I’ve got a lot I want to con. In a short period of time. So I want to hop right on it. Everyone’s talking about this issue today on Twitter all over the place and that is, of course. What’s happened to LeBron James? The son, Bonnie? Man, the level of cognitive dissonance still out there is mind blowing to me. Of course, this isn’t a new issue. Vaccine injury for me because my son at two years old had a vaccine injury, so that led me down the rabbit hole to discover the true data on it. But people are still clinging to this idea. That this isn’t an issue. Do you have thoughts on that today? 

Speaker 3 

Yeah, people don’t like to. The It’s it’s cognitive dissonance, basically and. People have been told. That all these vaccines are safe and effective, the COVID vaccine is safe and effective. And yet they’re seeing all of these incidents happen. So today, within a matter of hours, I’m tweeting about LeBron James’s son, and I’m also tweeting about Tori Kelly. So never before in my life. You know, it’s like there’s something seriously wrong. There, when everybody’s getting blood, blood clots and heart attacks. When celebrities are doing where, where there, there are two celebrity incidents in a day, I mean that they’re probably more, you know, maybe they’re more but you know, for me, just tweeting out stuff, I mean, this is like two in a day. 

Speaker 2 

Right. 

Speaker 3 

Come on, I mean. People, people should be waking up to say in. Fact a lot of people. Right, because fewer and fewer people are getting the the COVID maccini. So they’re they’re starting to believe that, oh, Gee, maybe they lied to us about the COVID machines. But the problem is that they’ve been lying to to people about other vaccines as well. And and so I I I actually I I used to believe all these vaccines were safe and effective and I would always get vaccinated and I got the COVID maccini. Because the CDC and the FDA said it’s safe and effective, we tested it. No problems at all. Safest vaccine of all time. So I got the shots and then I learned I started hearing these horror stories a few months after I got my shots from friends who were either vaccine injured or dead. And so I started looking at the data then to find out. Yeah, maybe I just got unlucky. You know, I’m a maybe I’m a statistical outlier or maybe somebody’s lying to us. So I was. Initially, when I first heard these stories, I was of the belief that. OK, I’m just. Statistically, I’m lucky. And then but I I went into the databases and and I looked at the clinical trial results and so forth and and what I found was appalling. It was all consistent with the most dangerous vaccine ever created. For the COVID vaccines and then sort of one thing led to another, and then, you know, Bobby Kennedy’s been talking about autism. And so I looked at that and and I discovered that he is absolutely right that vaccines are the primary cause of autism. In the United States and. And it was. It was so, so clear. Because all of the pediatric practices I talked to that didn’t vaccinate kids had had either no autism whatsoever in 25 years or 30 years and 10s of thousands of kids, or it was very, very rare. And so there’s, there’s no question that when you actually. Got the data. From first hand sources from the doctors who who treated 10s of thousands of these cases, that there’s dramatic difference and then it’s it’s true for all of these. Autoimmune diseases things like sinusitis, ADHD. 

Speaker 2 

Blood disorders like thrombocytopenia. 

Speaker 3 

Yeah, but yeah, well. Certainly the blood disorders are being caused by the COVID vaccines, but the. Things like diabetes, seeing sinusitis pans panda. Uh, any kind of autoimmune disease, those things were just off the charts for the for kids who were vaccinated and the kids who are got fully vaccinated have about 25 times as many office visits as kids who are not vaccinated. And also vaccinating kids is actually good for pediatricians business, but they they don’t tell. Think about that. And the pediatrician never tells you that. Hey look the stats. Are that you’re going to your kids going to have 25? He’s going to see me 25 times more often if I give them all the vaccine. So I have your permission to go ahead and but the every every study where I’ve seen the fully unvaccinated. Compare with the vaccine. There’s just no comparison. I I recently had a call with over a dozen doctors and they all agreed that the unvaccinated kids are far, far healthier than the vaccinated. And so the actual data just doesn’t align with what the narrative is. And that, of course causes cognitive distance, distance and people. And when you say that, then people say you’re a misinformation spreader and I’m not going to even go look any further. Right. You’re it. It it would be. Like saying that if if I told you hey the earth is flat, you’re probably going to say, well, I’m not going to listen to you anymore and I’m not even going to go look into any data showing the earth is flat because it’s just too preposterous. And so people take the the same sort of attitude for. Saying if I were to say, oh, the COVID vaccines are dangerous or all vaccines are actually not as as safe and effective as having zero vaccines or that vaccines cause autism, they’ll all flip a switch that they’ll turn off and they’ll say, OK. Right, that’s wrong. That doesn’t agree with anything the medical community is saying, and I trust the medical community so they won’t look at. 

Speaker 2 

Sure. We’re going to look. 

Speaker 

The data. 

Speaker 2 

This protective mechanism. That Steve just outlined and why people do that? And we’ll discuss it a. Little more when we come. Right back. You’re listening to naturally inspired radio. 

Speaker 4 

Jackson, ever since the. Fire went out. I’m going to Jackson. I’m gonna mess around. Yeah, I’m going. We gotten married in a. Fever, hotter than a pepper sprout. We’ve been talking about Jackson. 

Speaker 2 

We’re back on naturally inspired radio, talking to Steve Kirsch. Steve writes for sub stack. You can find him on there. He’s always putting out the best quality information on all of the data and he is a researcher. He is a researcher I nobody has yet taken you up on that offer to debate them for money, have they, Steve? 

Speaker 3 

And you know and it’s. Not just me, that won’t debate. Any of the doctors who have similar views that I have. And you know, so none of us can get a debate. And and I’m talking about, you know, some of the the top scientists in the world, people like Peter McCullough and Paul Merrick, they they won’t debate people like that and they won’t debate. I was on a call last weekend. Over a dozen doctors and one of them said, you know, I offered anybody $10,000 just to come and debate me on vaccines and causing autism and and causing harm to kids. And he said even with a $10,000 bounty. Just for showing up. Nobody would take him up on the debate offer, so it’s it’s definitely not me. It’s nobody. No, no, you know, but Bobby Kennedy’s been trying for 20 years to get a debate on autism. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

I believe it. Why are you? 

Speaker 

Right. 

Speaker 3 

And and they had that that. Big pool, you. Know giving Peter Hotez millions of dollars. 

Speaker 2 

Yes, yes. 

Speaker 3 

If Peter Hotez would debate Kennedy and Hotez turned it down, he wanted $100 million in order to debate. Kennedy. So I guess that’s what it takes. You have to pay somebody $100 million just to have a discussion as to whether the vaccines cause autism. Or not. 

Speaker 2 

So you mentioned this call that you had on Saturday and I sent a few practitioners your way. Hopefully they made it on the call there because these are the people in the front lines. These are the people that are. Actually, see what happens when a child gets vaccine injured is they go to their regular, you know, GP and they say, you know what, something’s wrong. And of course, that practitioner has no answers for them and they get tossed around in the system for a long time and. Then they end up. At the door of a functional medicine practitioner or a chiropractor of some sort, or a nutritionist or or what have you, because they’re desperate for help. And so these are the practitioners that are on the front lines. These are the people that we should be listening to because they’ve actually brought people through treatment and seeing, you know, positive results not with everybody. I’m not claiming that they can fix everybody, but these are the people doing the work. So why did you call this panel together? Why did you put the call out to say, hey, I want to talk to some of these people that actually are. In the. Clinical phase of it. 

Speaker 3 

I wanted to get more input on a a survey I had done recently on on Twitter, which showed that most of the seizures that kids have were associated with the vaccine, so you get the vaccine, you get seizure, and what’s interesting is that the elevated. Seizure rate caused by some of these vaccines, like the MMRV vaccine, increases your risk of seizure by 9.8 times normal within a certain exposure window. After getting the vaccine. And that’s very unusual. Other vaccines, they’ve they’ve studied don’t have any effect at all. And this, this vaccine, M, but the MMR vaccine has a increased risk in the MMRV vaccine has an increased risk of seizures. And what’s interesting is. It also has an increased risk of autism. And so, and also SIDS when an infant dies, the 75% of the time they die within 48 hours after a vaccine shot. So you know, you look at this thing on the spectrum and you say, OK, you know, these vaccines cause a variety of health issues that. Can lead to the death of your child. Could lead to your child being autistic for the rest of his or her life, or if the child is really lucky, they’ll only get a. 

Speaker 2 

Right. 

Speaker 3 

You know the the the physicians will look at each one and say, oh, well, vaccines don’t cause autism. So, you know, take that off. And of course, SIDS is caused by putting your your baby on its stomach to to to sleep rather than on its back. And and that’s not no, that’s not the cause. And and so and then when you say seizures, they say, oh, yeah, but the seizures are are small and they go away. And so it’s not significant. And so therefore, vaccines are totally safe. And so it’s a way for the doctors to rationalize that these vaccines are safe. When in reality. They’re extremely dangerous and your kid is lucky if they got off with the febrile seizure and. And that’s it. Right. Because the the, the, the on the spectrum you know could. Be anywhere from. Any kind of chronic food allergies or sinusitis or some sort of innocuous autoimmune disease to more a more serious autoimmune disease to. An epilepsy or an autism. And then, of course, to death. And so there’s this, this entire spectrum and the vaccines are causing all their associated with all of this. And few people realize that I I know I didn’t realize it until I got woken up by what’s what happened with the COVID, maccini’s and. And so I I regret. 

Speaker 2 

I think we don’t get woken, we don’t get woken up until we experience something for ourselves and I would. Say yeah, based on my experience, I would say to any mother listening right now, any parent listening right now that you need to be tuned in to signals from your baby. 

Speaker 3 

Cells exactly. 

Speaker 2 

My son was giving me signals and I ignored them. I ignored them. He was. He was inconsolable around crowds of people and too much noise. He showed up with pneumonia after a vaccine. He he was signaling to me, but I didn’t recognize those signals until he took the flu shot at 2 and ended up with thrombocytopenia in a very, very dangerous situation. So I would say to all moms. Follow your instinct. If they’re having reactions. Slow down and do your research. 

Speaker 3 

And I’ll bet your doctor said if you ask your doctor did. Hey did did the vaccine cause the thrombocytopenia? He’d have said no, it’s just something that happens to kids and it just there was a coincidence that it happened right after the vaccine. 

Speaker 2 

They told me it was idiopathic idiopathic. 

Speaker 3 

Is that what happened to you? 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, no reason for it. 

Speaker 3 

Right. 

Speaker 2 

And but they didn’t tell me is that it was on the insert. 

Speaker 3 

Just happened but but but they they probably told you it wasn’t the vaccine. 

Speaker 2 

Right. Yeah, it it it, it’s on the insert for the flu vaccine, which I found out years later that it’s actually on the insert for the flu vaccine for the. Flu shot. That no informed consent and I and you know, I questioned whether the doctors even know that. Not sure they know what’s on the. 

Speaker 3 

You know, they’re taught. I don’t think they they do because Peter McCullough used to believe that all the vaccines are safe. And Aseem Malhotra also was told in Med school all these vaccines are carefully tested and and super safe and the safest. They are the safest drugs we have in, in, in medicine. And so they’re taught that medical so they don’t even bother to look. They just say, OK, yeah, we assume that. 

Speaker 2 

Sure, assumed knowledge. 

Speaker 3 

And after the COVID vaccines happened, then, you know, Peter started looking in. To all the other vaccines, and so Peter McCullough, you know, came around from saying that vaccines are good to saying nobody should get any of these childhood vaccines. And Peter McCullough is one of the the top scientists. In the world, his h-index is over 100, putting in into this top tier of scientists, very few get an h-index of over 100, which means you’ve had you’ve written over 100 papers which? Every single paper of the 100 papers has 100 or more citations associated with it. That’s very, very hard to. 

Speaker 2 

Do why your focus on autism now? I I, I mean, I’m so grateful. I’m so grateful to people like you and Peter McCullough and all of these fabulous people that are like, you know, they adjusted. You adjusted your opinion on something with new data, which is completely reasonable, rational and normal, but so many people are not doing that, so I’m grateful for you for doing that. But why now? Are you really focusing in on autism? What’s your concern? 

Speaker 3 

Have been woken up with the COVID maccies and so they’re giving people are not taking the COVID maccini anymore. Even my friends who believed in the vaccine aren’t taking the vaccines anymore, and so that ship has kind of sailed in that. We’ve reduced the. The the damage significantly because very few people are taking are taking the bait. And so now the next big thing is is just the rate of autism, the autism. If you’ve ever seen an autistic kid, or men an autistic kid. There’s a there’s a range of behaviors, but you you walk away saying this is tragic. And if for this to happen to any family is tragic, I I’ve talked to parents who spent on the order of $1,000,000. Trying to get their kid back to normal. And it’s a long it. Could be a long long. Process to do that. And so it’s tragic. I I think to me it feels even more tragic than than someone dying. But if this tragedy is visible to us, so autism is a very real epidemic. The CDC acknowledges that it’s gone. Out of it’s grown proportionally, you know exponentially. And that they say, we don’t know. What causes it? But the the thing about autism is it’s very clear. It’s crystal clear that the vaccines are causing autism, and this data has been around for over 23 years. That we’ve known this, and the CDC has known it for 23 years and they’ve remained silent about it. And we can prove that because there was a CDC researcher that 23 years ago they did a study on the MMR and autism and. What the the CDC researchers found a connection, and then they were ordered by their superiors to basically trash just the autism data that showed that vaccines were causing autism. So the data that remained would show that vaccines so-called. Autism and that’s what they published. But there was a whistleblower that came out about 10 years after that. And he was taped in a phone call. And it it’s all in the movie Vaxxed, which many people have seen, but many people have not seen which documents this. And so they tried to hold a hearing in Congress to have this CDC whistleblower testify Underoath in Congress that the CDC ordered him to destroy the evidence that showed clearly that vaccines cause autism. And what happened was the hearing got canceled. Because people in Congress didn’t want to hear the truth, and when other members of Congress tried to get a study of of the unvaccinated, the fully unvaccinated versus the vaccinated in order the NIH to do a study which they’ve never done. They tried to get a bill in Congress. It failed. It didn’t even get out of committee. It had nine Co sponsors. And it failed to get out of committee. And so we’ve never heard the testimony from the CDC whistleblower. We have never gotten the NIH to do a study of the fully unvaccinated versus the fully vaccinated. You know, there’s clearly something wrong here. And so, so autism and then. You can go into I I went. I just made one phone call and you don’t need more than one phone. You really don’t need more than one phone call to an honest pediatrician or holistic provider. You talked to pretty much any holistic provider and they will tell you all that the totally unvaccinated are, well, healthier, and they’ll tell you that the only kids that come that have autism. How the kids who were. Vaccinated and they the kids who have have overnight autism. The stats were staggering. It was like 50% of the kids who were normal one day and went autistic the next day. 50% of those cases happened within three days of a vaccine shot. Staggering within three days, half of all cases of overnight autism and so this. You can go into. Any pediatric practice in America and verify this? And so autism is crystal clear if you ask the question. But you know when you’re fact checked, they’ll never go and and call up a pediatric practice and ask this question. 

Speaker 2 

No, they won’t. 

Speaker 3 

And so the data is the data is just sitting in. Front of anyone? 

Speaker 2 

Let’s talk about this when we come back, I want to talk about what you what you think we can attribute this to this, just ignorance towards this data. We’ll be right back. This is naturally inspired radio. We’re back with Steve Kersh. Hey, follow Steve Kirsch on sub stack. Just go in and look him up and plug into naturallyinspiredradio.com. Because if you missed the first part of this program, you’re going to want to hear all of it in its entirety, and you can always do that. And naturally inspiredradio.com Steve. Of course, you know when you talk about this stuff, you get this cognitive dissonance. Which we which? We have already talked about a little. But you get these people that say things like, well, why would they do that? Why would the government suppress information and data? You know that that shows that these vaccines actually harm children, our governments there to protect us. So what do you attribute this to? I always think that, you know, it’s hard for people to do something. And we’ve been. Socially conditioned to think that we need vaccines, we need this to be able to survive that. This is the reason why we’re so much healthier than we used to be. All of these kind of lies that we rely on and they make us feel safe if we give up that notion that this is what’s been keeping us safe. Then we have to do something different. And that freaks people out. But what do you attribute it to? 

Speaker 3 

Ohh I I think it’s due to true. And and and also a A you know for the COVID vaccine, for example, it was based on, Oh my gosh, we have this pandemic and nobody wants to have lockdowns and wear masks and so forth. Tony Fauci said if we all get vaccinated, it’ll all be over. And so everybody’s looking for a way out and and Tony Fauci’s coming and saying, hey, the vaccine is the way out. It’s not early treatment that won’t work. The vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine and everybody wants to go and stop the pandemic so that we can get back to work and we don’t have to. Social distance we don’t to worry about lockdowns. We don’t worry about masking. We don’t worry about any of the. And so everybody is desperate to get out, and if they’re told, hey, the only way is if the vaccine that everybody wants it to work, right, because they’re told that’s the only way out. That’s the only door out. That’s the fire escape. That is the. That’s the way out of the escape room. Is the vaccine. And so when people die or get cardiac arrest or. 

Speaker 

What clocks? 

Speaker 3 

Blood clots or any of these other symptoms that are super dangerous, but they they just look the other way and the doctors will say, well, it’s not shown in the peer reviewed literature. So this I’m statistically I’m lucky. And so every doctor is basically looking at their stats if they’re paying attention, that is, they’re looking at their stats and saying, wow, I guess I got unlucky because none of my other peers are are saying anything. And everybody’s not saying anything to anybody else because nobody wants to be the alarmist, saying, you know, the the the chicken little saying fire fire or, you know that the sky is falling. What have you because they don’t want to. To create a an an unnecessary situation where they they would panic people just because they were statistically unlucky and so nobody is speaking out and so nobody speaks out. And then because nobody speaks out, everybody assumes that oh, it’s just happening to me. But if it were happening to everybody else, we’d know it. No, it’s happening. All over the. Place and nobody is is has the courage to speak out because they don’t want to upset the narrative and they’re afraid that it’s just them because they don’t have any confirmation from their peers because all this stuff isn’t getting published. So they just assume that, oh, the, you know, like it’s the school I I talked to a school and they have a rate of myocarditis. It’s like one in it. It’s like 3 out of 100 or 4 four out of 100. You know, one in 25 boys is getting diagnosed with myocarditis, but it’s a small school. It’s only got 400. And so it’s only got, you know, some relatively small number of of cases of myocarditis. And they say, oh, well, we must just be unlucky. And let’s not tell anyone because you don’t want to panic anyone and dissuade them from getting the vaccine. And what they don’t realize is that this is happening at at schools everywhere. And so it’s this, they believe what they’re told. And they they trust the authorities and it’s this trust in the authority and the authorities that are are looking at these side effects and saying, oh, well, those are just anecdotes. And those are cases, but we have the large scale trials that show that the rates are really low and then they’ll look at the fares data, which is all voluntary. Reporting. And so it’s underreported by a factor of 100 and say, oh, look, only 10,000 cases of myocarditis and we’ve we’ve vaccinated 10 million kids. So that’s statistically a little high, but it’s nothing to worry about and they won’t. Go and and and sort of mentally recognize. Well, it’s 100 times higher than what you just said it was. And so people are the doctors are doing what’s called willful blindness in that they wanted to succeed. And they’re hoping that what they’re seeing is, is not replicated in other places. And so they’re operating under the premise that if it was really a problem that other physicians. Would would realize that and speak out, and so it’s it’s. It’s kind of like the blind leading the blind here and the press will not write any stories about the vaccines being the cause of these incidents. And you know, there’s a singer that just today I tweeted about. But you know, she got, I think it was blood clots and yeah, Tori Kelly hospitalized. What do you need to know about blood clots? And it doesn’t mention that that it’s it’s a side effect of the COVID narcine at all. Doesn’t mention her vaccination status, just that she’s been hospitalized with. Blood clots and she’s been treated in a hospital in Los Angeles, and here’s what you know about needs to know about blood clots. Is that 900,000 people a year get blood clots, but they never tell you? Was it caused by the vaccine? Those 900,000 people are those aren’t those blood clots associated with vaccinated people, like where is the study showing the vaccinated? Versus the unvaccinated? And so we we normalize it, we treat heart attacks and blood clots at at early ages like ohh, it’s just normal. You know, we’ve had this for a while. Yeah, it’s it’s normal because they’ve been vaccinating everybody for decades. And so all of this. These health conditions are now the new normal. But it’s with the COVID maccini it’s gotten out of hand just because the the rates have changed so dramatically. But you know, in 20 years from now, they’ll keep going with the COVID vaccines, and they’ll normalize that saying, yeah, yeah, that’s perfectly normal for all these people to drop dead on the same day they get their vaccine. It’s it’s just coincidence. And it’s not. And This is why nobody will release the data. I have gone to the California State epidemiologist. Her name is Erica Pan, and I said, do you believe in transparency? And she stopped talking to me. 

Speaker 2 

Talk about Erica when we come back after this short break, we’re talking to Steve Kurtz. This is naturally inspired radio. Stay tuned. Sing to naturally inspired radio with Steve Kirsch. I’m Tammy pepper Garcia. We are talking about vaccines and just the the fallout from the COVID maccini and honestly, all vaccines, that’s now all coming. Into life. You know, you were just kind of talking about these practitioners that feel like, oh, you know, they have to continue to distribute the vaccines because that’s that’s the narrative. That’s the popular thing. That’s what we need to go with. But I would say at this point, you know, we already know that the risk benefit. For young people with these shots. Doesn’t justify, you know, administering it. It doesn’t justify it. These young people have nothing to gain and everything to lose. So I call that malfeasance. On the part of these practitioners that are still administering these shots. That’s not feasible, but. 

Speaker 3 

Yeah, yeah. But they don’t know. You know, that’s the thing. They they were taught in medical school that this is perfectly safe and effective. They were taught that it if you know, just like what happened to you. Right. I think I think your doctor was being perfectly honest with you when he said, hey. I don’t know. What caused it? We don’t know what causes it happens, but it wasn’t the vaccine. And so they’ll see these coincidences and they’ll never related. In fact, if you’re your child, had a febrile seizure, for example, few physicians will ask the question, was he just vaccinated? If your child dies from SIDS? And you go to the. The pediatrician and say, hey what? The pediatrician will never ask. When was your last? When was the the child last vaccinated? And so they don’t even look because they’re they’re basically told it can’t be the vaccine. So you that don’t even suspect that and you know it’s it’s it’s kind of like a a a police detective. Who you know comes to the scene of the crime and he and the police detective is instructed. Well, we know it wasn’t the husband who killed the wife. You look somewhere else and they look somewhere else and they can’t find the cause and they say. Well, we don’t know how how this person does. But you know it’s it’s just crazy that the vaccines are are exempted from all of this because they’re books out. If you go to Amazon. Neil Z Miller. Has written a bunch of books. On vaccines and which vaccines are safe and the the short story is I’ll you know, I’ll save you buying his his books but but you. Know you should. Read if if you want to read the papers, he’s got this Miller’s review of critical vaccine. Studies looks at 400 scientific papers summarized on the vaccines. But the bottom line is this, and I talked to to Neil directly, and I said so, Neil, you. Know you wrote the book. A while ago, in February 2016. Have you changed any of your opinions? Is there any safe vaccine that you found? Any new data? It’s just. No, no, they’re they’re all not recommended. They’re all have the the risks outweigh the benefits, but virtually nobody has read his book and it’s not taught in Med schools. Thought this ought to be you know, the Ground Zero of you get into Med school. You have to and and they talk about vaccines. It ought to be that every physician in America should be required to to read one of Neil Miller’s books, and it will totally turn. A A A practitioner around and say my God, I didn’t realize I. Was doing this. Assuming that they’re open to questioning their beliefs, which most people aren’t, you know, most people, once they believe something, it’s almost impossible to get them off of that belief. You know, there’s the old saying that it’s easier to to fool someone than convince them that they have been fooled. Very true. It’s because once you get into the groove and and believe something to be true. Then it becomes very hard for you to to shake that belief because you won’t listen to people who are saying stuff that goes against your belief system. 

Speaker 2 

Well, we have to add on that. 

Speaker 3 

And so that’s the hard. Part the data is there. 

Speaker 2 

They took it as well. They many of these doctors took it to themselves and they gave it. 

Speaker 3 

They’re they’re walking the absolutely. 

Speaker 2 

To their children. 

Speaker 3 

They’re walking the talk because they’re they’re believing what they’ve been told. And they’re ignoring the evidence in plain sight. You know, it’s like the smallpox vaccine or the polio vaccine. Lots of people, including me, believe that vaccines were the cause were the reason that the epidemics ended. But when you actually go and look at it, the these epidemics were ending. Before they rolled out the vaccine, yes. 

Speaker 2 

That was the earliest data I found when I started looking into vaccines. When that happened to my son 18 years ago, that was some. Of the first data. 

Speaker 3 

You know, so this is. Yep, and This is why Bobby Kennedy, you know, he Bobby Kennedy was doing Mercury and fish, and he kept getting accosted by these these moms who were saying, you need to look at vaccines and autism. And he is, you know, believing that vaccines are safe and effective, just like everybody else. And so they had these moms, basically. Knocked on his door and put a stack of papers like a foot high on his doorstep and said look, I’m not leaving until you read all these papers. And so that worked. He he was forced to go and look at the data, and he was appalled. And he said I asked him about that story and I. Said do you have any regrets? You know that you made that decision because you know now you’re being ostracized by your, your family and by the medical community and the press calls you a misinformation spreaders. I said, do you have any request request regrets? And he said. I had no choice. 

Speaker 2 

Once you know you know. 

Speaker 3 

Once you know you know. 

Speaker 2 

You can’t go back and that’s the thing. That’s the big hurdle is getting people to understand. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. You will not be able to deny it once you look at it. Unfortunately, it takes experience to get you to. Look at it. Don’t be the one. Don’t be the one. This is why we, you know, moms like myself can’t shut up because we know they’re babies being born every day. Right now, as we speak. And they’re getting these injections. 

Speaker 3 

Right, as soon as they pop out. They’re they’re getting injected as soon. As they pop out. It’s just horrible what’s being done to these kids, and by that they they’re given a vitamin K shot. That’s not innocuous either. That’s just like getting a vaccine. They call it a vitamin K shot, so you don’t think it’s a vaccine. But believe me, if that is not, there are other ways to give your child vitamin K then through a dangerous. Vaccine that bypasses the bodies defenses. You can take vitamin K orally. There’s no reason that we give a child a vitamin K shot. It is crazy to inject that and bypass the body’s immune systems. 

Speaker 2 

When we come back. Steve, I want you to share with our audience what you’re up to next. How do we make a difference in this movement? What are your next steps? 

Speaker 

3:00 o’clock. 

Speaker 2 

Stay tuned. It’s naturally inspired radio. 

Speaker 2 

We’re back for the final segment with Steve Kirsch here on naturally inspired radio. If you haven’t yet, head over to Steve Kirsch’s stuff sub stack and get subscribe so you can stay up on the latest data. He’s out there pounding the. I don’t think there’s a phone call. You don’t make. Is there Steve? 

Speaker 3 

There are. There are some calls that I don’t make anymore calls to the CDC and FDA and NIH are pretty much useless. You get nowhere and it it’s there’s there’s there’s like no point. I mean, I’ve been. I’ve confronted. The head of the Asip committee, that’s the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. It’s the the CDC outside committee. And I asked her, hey, do you want to see the safety study that was done by the Israeli Ministry of? Health and it shows that the vaccines are not as safe as we’ve been telling people. And her answer to that was now I’m going to call the cops on. You if you don’t leave. 

Speaker 

Wow, I mean. 

Speaker 3 

This is the kind of like we don’t want to see anything. Look, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the Vatican or yeah. You know, effectively because Israeli Ministry of Health is extremely well respected. And if you’ve got a, if you’ve got results that show that your vaccine isn’t safe and you have the top safety person in America saying I’m not going, I don’t. Want to see that study? That is, that’s like, you know, it’s very clear that no, we don’t want to see any data that goes against what we believe. We do not want to have our beliefs changed go away. And This is why you can’t get a debate with anyone as well, because. They would be. Embarrassed because they wouldn’t be able to respond to any of the evidence. 

Speaker 2 

So what will you do next? How do we move forward? 

Speaker 3 

You know it’s it’s just you just keep plugging at it. You just keep trying to get the debates and I think that getting debates with people who are. Are kind of in the middle is the way. To go because. People who are dug in saying vaccines don’t cause autism will never debate you. Right. And because they don’t have the facts on their side and they know it. And so you have to go with someone like, you know, I I just challenged Mario. On, let’s see, let me see. Nofal on Twitter and yeah, he’s inviting me to lots of his spaces and I just saw him tweet about this new virus and he said, is there a vaccine for this? 

Speaker 

Ohh gosh. 

Speaker 3 

And I’m like. 

Speaker 

Ohh my gosh. 

Speaker 3 

Mario, Mario, after all this? Think vaccines are safe and effective. A has a so Mario, how about you and I have a debate on this. And so it’ll be interesting to see what he says because I sent it to him yesterday and he hasn’t responded. Yet as to whether we can talk about it, but I think it’s it’s going after people in the middle, people who are the in, in the center, who can be swayed and and persuading them and eventually you do this enough times, you’ll have a majority of people and then it’ll be the minority. The the doctors and the CDC and the FDA. Who are seeing safe and effective, safe and effective, and it’ll be the, but the public won’t be buying it. And so the the goal here is to destroy trust. In the medical community, because that’s what it’s going to take as long as people trust the medical community for their medical advice. We have a serious problem. This is why you have states which mandate vaccines because the doctors are saying all vaccines. Are good and. There are no downsides and and and so forth, and so we have to break the trust. We have to break peoples trust in the medical community and show that there are a bunch of charlatans that aren’t respecting the science in these cases. Now look if if you break a bone or you you have a heart attack or whatever, I’m not saying you shouldn’t go to the hospital and you won’t be taking care of. But for some of these big things, like should the child be vaccinated, they’ll they’ll total. 

Speaker 2 

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